wanna learn LATIN...

**sean b. tinio** · December 29th, 2004, 02:29 PM

hello guys...

I was asked to play a kinda latin song
from Jaci Velasquez, I don't know
if you heard "un lugar"!...
but I'm having a difficult
time feeling (and playing) it [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]
I'm not really that good (schooled)
and versatile of
a drummer like you guys here...

any chance you could tell me how I could
get this... what should I learn first and
are there sites that I could get info from...

you may ask "why not get an instructor?"...
maybe next year I'll get some jazz and
latin lessons... but now I need a quick
crash course?! [img]redface.gif[/img] if there is such a thing [img]eek.gif[/img]

**benrand** · December 29th, 2004, 03:22 PM

Learn the permutations of the clave, then apply it on the kit with the cascara then learn a simple songo beat and then you should be able to make it through.

Chuck Silverman is the man.

Chuck's site

cjbdrm · December 29th, 2004, 03:45 PM

Are you talking about "Un Lugar Celestial" off of the album "Llegar A Ti" ?

I heard a little snippet on Amazon-it has a Spanish feel to it- but I'm not sure how to classify it- I don't think it's Afro-Cuban. (Kind of an "In Your Eyes" kind of feel. Anyone?)

You just need to play along to this sucker about a hundred times. It's challenging because it's slow, there's a lot of space, and it's not "Boom Dat! Boom Boom DAT! I would advise anyone trying to learn 'Latin' to listen and play-along. It's the only way. It's not a pattern out of a book. Neither is jazz...

Cheers

dsleethkeppler · December 29th, 2004, 06:13 PM

just fake it til you make it! [img]wink.gif[/img]

**WecklsMechanic** · December 29th, 2004, 06:47 PM

I listened to a snippett of it on Amazon also.

Listening to Yellow Jackets stuff helped me alot with these types of patterns where the groove is applied over a "buh bump", "buh bamp", "buh bump", "buh bump" over the bass drum.

You'll need to play this 4 E & ("A" "1") B.D. pattern until you want to puke. Because everything is built around it. Place a 1/4 note on the HH and just add sparcings of the snare here and there.

You basically play either a modified 4/4 groove over the B.D. pattern, or applying polyrythms (especially w/the snare) over the B.D. pattern.

Check out a BossaNova drumset pattern. Thats a good beggining excercise in developing this type of polyrhythmic feel. Also.... if you have it available to you, check out Greg bissonets video. Greg is the one that taught me my latin grooves and he has a really great way of breaking it down down so you can start playing some form of latin almost right away.

Hope this helps

-j

**WecklsMechanic** · December 29th, 2004, 06:53 PM

Oh!!!

And the Alex Acuna video is the shiz-nitz for this stuff. Covers EVERY latin groove you'd every want to play.

-j

**matricks** · December 29th, 2004, 07:30 PM

That song, it is just like a samba... it basically is a samba during the verse, during the chorus, just a 4/4 groove. If i can remember correctly, for the chorus, just play bass drum on the 16th note before the 1 and the 3, and then play the 1 and the 3 also. Play the 16th note before the 2 and the 4 on the bass drum, for the 2 and 4, snare drum. 8ths on the ride cymbal.
For developing independence for the samba verse part, play the samba bass drum pattern (bass drum on all quarters, and the 16th note preceeding the 1, 2, 3, 4). Over that, just play the first three pages of stick control. It will break up your limbs quite nice.
Un Lugar is a great song... it has been a long time since i have played it. The snare drum knocking part during the verse, rememeber to keep it laid back... it doesn't push at all, very back in the pocket.
Good Luck! [img]wink.gif[/img]